Friendship turning into love

As you may or may not know I met my man the secretive Mr. S  (well only secretive because I call him Mr. S and not by his name) on an internet date site, here in Australia. Some sites are reputable, others are shams.  Fortunately the one that we used was reputable. Yesterday we celebrated 5 years today of knowing each other and sharing our lives. I had written a post some time back about Internet dating on-line-dating-its-not-just-for-the-desperate  but after celebrating our fifth year, I thought I would revisit.

This post however is more about how we met and how life can change if you step outside of the box in a not so conventional way to try and meet someone. When we first met on line,  we emailed and chatted back and forth (on the computer) for many weeks every night, we then plucked up the courage for phone calls, again a few weeks, every night, we would talk for hours and I mean hours. We also reached a point with these phone calls where we did the “You hang up…no you hang up” scenario.  Strange you may say for a woman who was 52 years of age.

I had only seen one photo of him, on the dating site, I only heard his voice, or read what he was like when we emailed or chatted on line.  Trying to gauge a person without physically seeing them can be daunting, but I had to have faith in my intuition by his down to earth nature and humour,  that if nothing else I had found a friend. When we decided to meet it was a strange feeling, number one as I had never gone out with a bald man before (or nearly bald I should say) and number two, what if he wasn’t who I thought he was? The doubts came into play and some uneasiness. I had arranged the ‘phone call’ (from daughter # 2) to phone about an hour into our meeting just to check that everything was going smoothly. In the end though I put faith in my gut instinct that all would be well. We met in a public lounge in a large Hotel Foyer, plenty of people, plenty of noise for distraction if required.

If anyone is contemplating meeting someone off the Internet, this is a priority, do not meet them at their home or in a venue that you would not feel safe in. Our first night was pleasant, yes several drinks were consumed to take off the inevitable edge. The conversation did not flow as easily as what I thought it would, considering the amount of time we had talked on the phone and unfortunately I (even though I  thought I had) had not quite reached a place of completely getting fully over my ex, which came to the fore later in the evening. Yes I cried tears when Mr S tried to kiss me, I was ready (or thought I was) and though we did,  my heart was not there, my thoughts were elsewhere. It was traumatic, how could I treat someone like this, this was not fair on him, so at the end of our evening we both decided that it was best that we remained just friends.

As we were both single and mature adults, neither of us were into the pub-pick-up scene, so movies, dinners etc and having company we thought was better than spending our lives alone,. We also decided that if we met anyone else along the way then so be it, we would part our ways but hopefully still have a friendship.  As the weeks passed we saw each other every weekend. Before either of us realised, our friendship had grown into something more. Was it love? The age old question of what is love, how do you define it, what should it feel like, were raised (in my head at least). As a teenager I had many boyfriends, I wasn’t a ‘tart’ but back in my ‘youth’ I thought there was only one sure fire way of hanging onto the ‘boy’ of your dreams… I think you can understand what I am saying here.

When our hormones were racing madly, all we thought about was sex or hanging off the arm of the best looking boy in school, we did not know at that stage it was merely lust not love. I was capricious in my teenage years, I look back now at the ‘want’ of having or being with the ‘boy’ that all the other girls wanted. Did we love each other..we said we did back then, but truly we did not know the meaning of the word. There were the butterflies every time you saw him and equally as much, the ache in your heart when you didn’t. Back then we did not care what they would make of themselves in the future.  We cared for the superficial, or sadly to say I did.

As I grew older, I was able to look at the person for who they were, their core, their values in life.   We all would like wondrous love that is forever romantic, but realistically in many cases, the romance does fade a little but love still remains. Mr. S  and I promised each other (when our light bulbs went on and we knew that we were no longer friends and we were in a serious relationship), that we would never fall into the ‘rut’ – you all know what I mean. The relationship where you don’t appreciate each other, where you don’t make love, where you take each other for granted. Have we maintained this promise? For the most part yes.

Do we appreciate each other after 5 years? Yes we do, Mr. S will put the dishwasher on, or hang up washing, or vacuum floors, or clean the house, without me asking. He knows that I work and that the weekends are for ‘us’ as much as possible. I in turn, will mow the lawns, put the garbage out, or help him when I can. Do we take each other for granted? No, we thank each other still for helping, we tell each other continually that we have appreciated an action or a compliment given.

We laugh, we dance like teenagers crazily around the house, we compliment, we kiss, we hold hands, we hug, we make love, (whenever both of us are awake long enough), but I know that this man that I met five years ago, whom I only thought would only be a friend and nothing more has turned out to be the man that I love and care for, more than any other relationship I have ever had.

Love can develop from friendship.

Yes love , especially as we get older means certain aspects of your relationship slows down or changes, love is knowing that, that person is there for you, is there to share your sorrow and your joys, someone whom you can depend on, talk to and are comfortable with. The butterflies still flutter, just not to the same degree as in your youth, this is something that happens to all of us. Nothing to be afraid of, nothing to be ashamed of.

There are many forms of love, many degrees. No matter how old you are communication and respect for one another must be maintained. Finally the ability to make one another laugh, remember to laugh together.

Mr S and I have not had a cross word or argument in 5 years. Proof that LOVE can grow from friendship.

2nd Challenge for Writing – I need help

http://ivonnemontijo.wordpress.com wants me to write about the following:-

I want to know about love and relationships after the age of 50–what should I know—what should I do to find true love at my age of 51.

Microphone on?

Where do I begin?

How shall I advise on finding true love, their soul mate, their person?

I am a person who has and fortunately I can answer yes to the above. In saying that it took me to the age of 54 before finding that ‘right’ one.

Perhaps it can be found in https://ramblingsfromamum.wordpress.com/2012/11/12/on-line-dating…-the-desperate

Perhaps not?

What should you know about love after 50 – What are you looking for?

Over 50, you have had many life experiences and relationships and you should have a fairly good idea of what it is you are seeking.

You know who you are and what you need/want in a partner. We (and I put myself in this category because I am over 50) understand what is important, the values in a good relationship and appreciate more so partners at this age, than  when I was younger. Then it was mainly lust – though lust does help in any relationship young or old. Please don’t squirm when you read that.

Are the reasons behind a failed relationship because of

  • Mental or physical abuse?
  • Lack of trust?
  • Money issues?
  • Affairs?

or

  • We don’t communicate any more?
  • We don’t have anything in common?
  • We aren’t appreciated?
  • Our sex life has died?

People are hell bent on trying to figure out if they were the problem. It’s only natural to assume in the beginning that you are possibly the one at fault when a relationship goes sour, until you can step back after the emotions have subsided and look at your partner and realise possibly they may have been.

“Is it me”?  “It must be – we were so happy in the beginning”.

Or perhaps it’s the “If only” syndrome. If you had communicated more, if you listened more, if you felt for his/her needs more, if you paid attention more, if you liked the same music, the same sports, if you didn’t spend so much money, if you were more active in the bedroom. The list can go on and on. Whatever the reason for a failed relationship we will always try and figure out why it didn’t work.

We are human, we make mistakes, we can fall in lust, fall in love just as quickly as we can fall out of it. Finding ‘your person’ is finding one who will let you be you – so so important, who does not question, who does not show distrust, who supports and gives guidance.

Love and all the cuteness that surrounds it brings our emotions to the highest levels. In the beginning those very emotions can change once you truly get to know that person. Unfortunately we can find ourselves moulding our very own personalities to suit our partners but as we grow older we realise we do not need or have to. For what will it accomplish? Absolutely nothing. We kid ourselves that if I change this or that he/she will stay. They won’t in the long run.

It’s difficult to know when the changing of yourselves for others takes place, it can happen gradually without knowing it. “I hate sports – yet I’m watching them because he wants me to”. “Why does she insist that I get dragged around the shops with her”. Little ‘nigglies’ can lead to major resentment as we know.

Over 50 why should we question anymore?

Over 50 you are your own person even more so than when you were younger.

We do not have to conform to suit others needs, not should we have to.

We don’t have to please for pleasings sake.

We can speak our mind without fear or losing our partner

In our age bracket, we have the need for less drama. With the understanding that we want to live a happy, fulfilling life. We don’t want to quibble over the small things, the insignificant things.

Our lives are usually well established with our careers at this age, we have the freedom to explore, to travel, to embark on anything we care to.

We all would like a partner to share our every day to day life with – but do we need one to be complete?

I guess this is easy me writing this because I have found my Mr. Right and I do not want to blowing my own horn.

If you are ambivalent about a relationship in the beginning it’s gut feel for the future.

Ask yourself?

  • What are my goals and desires?
  • Am I emotionally ready to start a new relationship?
  • Do I have ‘baggage’ that I am carting from one relationship to the next?
  • Am I putting my best foot forward in respect to my appearance?
  • Am I comfortable enough with my own life that I’m able to share it with another?

There are no magical answers to finding true love. I wish it was so.

Perhaps the above maybe helpful or perhaps it won’t.

I found true happiness with Internet dating and as I explained in that post if you don’t have a broad range of single friends with equally the broad amount of single males, or you don’t belong to a club where you can meet others, or if you aren’t happy to go off to a Hotel for drinks with a G/F or male companion – then the options cruelly are slim.

Be yourself and know that there is Mr. Right out there and perhaps not seek too hard?

If your person is out there somewhere, they will find you, but you have to remain positive and upbeat and know within yourself that you a good person and have a lot to offer.

If I could wave a magic wand and cast a spell for your happiness and know that you will meet someone I would. Alas I can’t.

But remember….

Over 50 DOES NOT mean however your time has run out. For I am living proof of that!

On Line Dating… it’s not just for the desperate.

I have been trawling through a few blog sites of people that I follow of late  and also was away for the weekend (hence not writing a post for a few days). I know hand up – you have missed me **laughing** ..nothing like patting ones self on the back.

I shall write about my weekend away (for those that don’t have a TV show to watch and are bored beyond belief) later on, but I though I would write about the topic as above (psst look up to see the Title).

I have come to the conclusion that there is such a stigma attached to on line dating services.

What ? I’m not good enough to meet someone other than on line?

I have friends who will one day introduce me to the man/woman of my dreams.

I wouldn’t trust anyone that I would meet on a computer.

Questions and self doubt and I wonder why?

What are we afraid of?

Do we have the belief that it is not possible to meet the person of your dreams on a dating site?

If so, why do we think that way? Is it because you feel that if you go on a site that you may be talking to possibly a serial killer? A weirdo, a freak, a no hoper, a desperate?

In this day and age it can be difficult to meet that special someone due to the below.

  1. If your social network isn’t that great.
  2. If you aren’t the Pub type.
  3. If you aren’t affiliated with a hobby club.
  4. If you don’t do sports or go to the Gym (because hell we all know you ALWAYS meet the person of your dreams there).
  5. If you are over your single friends trying to hook you up on blind dates.
  6. If you feel the right person will come along eventually (you shall meet in the supermarket – that’s what my mum would tell me)  so you don’t need any assistance.

There are so many reasons to convince yourself that on line dating or match making services don’t or can’t work.

Can I tell you … you are wrong (forgive me) but you are.

I have had my fair share of relationships (well I am old-ish). I was married (for 19 years). I was even engaged to a man who was 16 years my junior) please don’t hold that against me…I’m not a cougar 🙂

For OTHER reasons other than the age difference it was not to be.

After that ended I decided to try the on-line system. I don’t have a large network of single females that I could venture out with to the Pubs/Clubs to find the man of my dreams. I was after all in my 50’s and the thought of putting my face on and journeying out to a Pub filled me with horror. So what was I to do??

One brave night ( after a wine or two)  I went on line (obviously an Australian site) and entered my details.

With this particular forum you paid when you wanted to communicate with someone. The fee being minimal I may add.

I wrote a profile of myself (which I wrote and re-wrote a hundred times) it’s difficult because you have to basically tell the world who you are, pat yourself on the back..sounds familiar and give the impression you’re a total catch all at the same time) and posted a photo up.

I sat back and waited to see if I got any response. Yes I was eager and every night and checked my emails.

Hmm 1st week a couple of bites but my gut told me …no.

Another couple of weeks went past I ended up chatting to a guy who initially I felt sounded ok. When we arranged to meet however, my gut told me no..he isn’t the one.

A little time went on and I sifted through those that made contact with me, reading their profiles, reading in between the lines, trying to suss out if they were for real ( because there are some out there that  tend to stretch the truth) and if we could be match made in heaven. I’m not saying it’s an easy process, but you have to broaden your horizons and also have your wits about you.

Then I came across a profile, wonderful sense of humour, similar likes/interests. I looked at the photo and my fist reaction was “Oh god he’s bald”. Then I took a long hard look at MYSELF and thought so?…what is wrong with almost bald (just because I had never had that before doesn’t mean we aren’t compatible).

We started to chat on line, this was followed up by phone calls which in the beginning were brief, then they got to 2,3 and 4 hourly (even with the “No you hang up 1st”). Yes I reverted to being a teenager again.

Then we decided it was time to meet… was I scared – hell yes..was I doing the right thing? What harm can meeting in a public place do? I bit the bullet and decided to do it.

That night I put on my face, dressed nicely and daughter # 2 dropped my off at the destination with leaving strict instructions as to “If I need to come home I shall call for you to come and get me”.

We met in the foyer of a Hotel (it sounds sleazy but it truly wasn’t). We both only had our internet photos to go by.

I walked in and saw this gentleman (yes almost bald..so at least his photograph was real) and tapped him on the shoulder.

I won’t say it wasn’t awkward because it was. The conversation was stilted in the beginning, after a few drinks we both relaxed, but still I had my doubts (not because he wasn’t what I had envisaged from the site) but I guess because I was being cautious. I had not long finished the ‘engaged relationship’ and my heart in all honesty was not probably in the right place to begin another.

After that evening where yes I ended up teary (blame the alcohol consumption) because I kept thinking of my previous partner I said that we could only be friends, that I wasn’t in the right head space yet (even though initially I thought I was) to have a relationship.

This man’s response was that he totally understood and that he was more than happy to be friends and if I was willing that we would go out together …for company…pictures, dinner etc and if we met someone else so be it.

So we did that, we went out now and then and then we started going out more regularly.

We became FRIENDS, until one day it dawned on me and him that we were more than friends. We had many things in common, we had both been married, both had our fair share of relationships that worked for a while or didn’t, we were at the age where we could simply be US, individuals. There was no pretence, no putting on a show of different personalities in order to please the other. No hidden agendas.

You may have read my poem to Mr. S. This is the man I have just talked about.

4 1/2 years together now not an argument, not a cross word. We are happy, we live our lives together like any other others in a relationship who have gone the traditional route and met face to face.

So what am I saying here? Simply this.

  1. ONE can find happiness on line.
  2. ONE can find true love and their soul mate on line.
  3. ONE has to push past the barriers & misconceptions about finding someone on line.
  4. GUT feeling about someone on line usually is the right feeling.
  5. LIFE is sometimes about taking risks.
  6. DO chat on line first for however long you are comfortable with.
  7. DO talk on the phone to truly get to know the person.
  8. DO meet n a public place on your 1st meeting.
  9. DO have a back up plan in case you need to escape or don’t feel safe.
  10. KEEP an open mind.

I met and fell in love with Mr. S and I am so glad I was brave enough to try this medium.

So if the thought of meeting someone (that could be the person whom you are MEANT to be with) happens to be from an internet site and the thought of that makes you wary…think about it ..what harm can it do…what are you afraid of? It will be your choice to chat, to talk on the phone, to meet when you feel comfortable in doing so.

I did and I am so glad that I took the plunge for if I hadn’t I would probably be sitting in my little study blogging, writing and wondering who is out there for me?

As they say nothing ventured…nothing gained.

OK he’s not Bruce…but my Mr. S is just as … Pic courtesy of Google & articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com